Curse

Shiishii Momo · Jul 15, 2008, 03:10 PM // 15:10

Heya, like a lot of players, I have lately concentrated on focusing on my main toon for play to title up for HoM. And I have really, really gotten tired of playing that toon (Necro). I have decided to bring either of my 2 melee toons out of retirement, and I would like to solicit some insight into what people feel would be the better of the 2 for PvE usage. Expressed below are some of my thoughts on them, both pro's and cons.

Warrior
Pro's: Classic and more accepted melee class, easier to get into groups for elite areas, adreneline based skills, weapon+offhand.
Con's: Low versatility/adaptability, build diversity, learning curve, poor energy management.

Dervish
Pro's: Multi strike, elite forms, high build diversity, high dmg striking capability.
Con's: Enchantment based defenses, high skill cost (energy).

I would like some community input as to their thoughts. Let's please keep this civil, and please remember this is an "in general" discussion, not "well, such and such (insert build of the moment name) pwns at such and such (insert farm spot of the moment name)". I would also not like for this to descend into a which class is better for Ursan discussion.

Thanks

nidy · Jul 15, 2008, 03:13 PM // 15:13

Warriors are more PvP oriented IMO, as Dervishes have much higher survivability and can hit multiple enemies at once. Not saying that you can't make a good warrior build for PvE, but the Dervish is probably the better bet.

Tyla · Jul 15, 2008, 03:15 PM // 15:15

^
D-Slasher says hi.

Profession versus profession is bad.

Trub · Jul 15, 2008, 03:15 PM // 15:15

Hmmm...
In my opinion..warrior is more fun in the melee department..

I suppose it's the whole: 'In your face damage' that attracted me to that class.
Dervs are nice..but relying on enchants to buff my damage leaves a bad taste in my mouth...they do look kewl tho.

Squishy ftw · Jul 15, 2008, 03:15 PM // 15:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiishii Momo

Warrior
Pro's: Classic and more accepted melee class, easier to get into groups for elite areas, adreneline based skills, weapon+offhand.
Con's: Low versatility/adaptability, build diversity, learning curve, poor energy management.

Dervish
Pro's: Multi strike, elite forms, high build diversity, high dmg striking capability.
Con's: Enchantment based defenses, high skill cost (energy).

Thanks

can't really agree on your warrior con's:
Plenty of build diversity IMO, there's axe/sword/hammer and each of those have a few decent/good skillbars.
Poor energy management: What ? Use adren skills.

More warrior pro's: Very high base armor/dps. Sy

More dervish pro's: [wounding strike]

What I mainly dislike about Dervishes are the need for enchantments, they take time to cast and can be easily interrupted/removed.
And while you're casting an enchantment, you're not killing stuff.

FengShuiDove · Jul 15, 2008, 03:22 PM // 15:22

Play both. See which you like better. I'm just now starting a Warrior that's almost level 20 and it takes a while getting used to making builds based on adrenaline when you don't really know how adrenaline builds. Still, I think the whole adrenaline build/heavy armor frontliner element is one that everyone who wants to be well rounded should experience.

That being said, my Dervish has finished two campaigns and has his elite armor while my Warrior isn't even close to done.

RhanoctJocosa · Jul 15, 2008, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by Tyla

^
D-Slasher says hi.

Profession versus profession is bad.

Lol, are you kidding? Dervish absolutely rapes a warrior in PvE.

Accursed · Jul 15, 2008, 03:32 PM // 15:32

I'd go warrior myself since I think that oldschool professions in the game are 10x better than the others [others my not agree, so just don't flame me please].
They have high armor and damage per second output that is just simply amazing. They are very good in PvE and PvP, and alot of people would probably agree with me on this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

Lol, are you kidding? Dervish absulutely rapes a warrior in PvE.

A ranger could easily interrupt the dervish since the dervish has to recast his enchantments thats why a warrior would probably last longer than a dervish in battle.

RiKio · Jul 15, 2008, 03:33 PM // 15:33

If you are going to focus in PvE then I would say Dervish. If you are going to use your PvP toon in PvE I recommend Worria. The Dervish in PvP is starting to get nerfed step by step...

FlamingMetroid · Jul 15, 2008, 03:34 PM // 15:34

Dervishes are Assassins for pussies ;o

Crom The Pale · Jul 15, 2008, 03:35 PM // 15:35

Personally I have to say War, it simply has more longevity in my mind.

Dervish is fun to play, mine is now a storage char but I break him out every so offten just for a distraction.

But when it comes time to help a Guildie get things done, the Warrior is the one they ask for.

Tyla · Jul 15, 2008, 03:45 PM // 15:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

Lol, are you kidding? Dervish absolutely rapes a warrior in PvE.

That was directed at his "Warriors being PvP oriented" statement.

Seriously though, D-Slasher fueling Brawling and SY really does beat major DPS when the D-Slasher gets it for free and in a second. If I was looking for pure DPS I would consider a Wounding Strike Dervish.

MithranArkanere · Jul 15, 2008, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Warrior skills are quite simple: More damage, more speed, apply condition, etc...
Dervish skills can have more than 3 separate effects!

For me, Warrior is more single-minded, while Dervish can have more versatility.

RavagerOfDreams · Jul 15, 2008, 03:58 PM // 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

Dervishes are Assassins for pussies ;o

exactly

go warrior its not going to be nerfed to hell next update

Bruce Leeroy · Jul 15, 2008, 04:00 PM // 16:00

Warriors have skills from all chapters. nuff said.

Elder III · Jul 15, 2008, 04:00 PM // 16:00

Warrior is simpler to play (in most cases) and hard to totally fail at - just keep mending off your bar, ok?

If you don't mind stopping before battles to cast a few enchants than Dervish is sweet too. :d

Imo they both lots of fun and in PVE there equally valid.

shoyon456 · Jul 15, 2008, 04:11 PM // 16:11

My opinion:

Warriors are very boring to play, with simple hack and slash mechanics in PvE that make the game get boring quite easily. True, they do have 10 more AL, and an innate +20 AL to all physical damage, but the difference between a warrior's base 80 AL and a derv's base 70 is a 0.134 damage multiplier according to wiki. I won't compare the warrior's innate +20 to physical, because a derv has that extra +25 health.

My derv is my main simply because of the mass damage that can be inflicted WITHOUT the need of building adrenaline. The derv's primary, mysticism, is a good guaruntee that you will rarely need energy, unless running a very demanding build such as Avatar of Melandru.

In addition, i see that many people feel the casting of enchants leads to not killing. Well, if you look at many mysticism enchants such as zealous renewal, they do armor ignoring holy damage then take their effect. Most of these enchants are also less than a one second cast or less, making their interruption unlikely (except for avatars imo).

Most bad dervish players will think automatically buff in earth prayers to be "invincible" which does, however, lead to no killing.

Orange Milk · Jul 15, 2008, 04:14 PM // 16:14

I agree with Bruse Leeroy up there.

The Warrior has more to offer for it on each continent than the Dervish does.

ZERO items/skills/armors for the Dervs in Prophicies and Factions.

Well, maybe not a complete "ZERO" maybe there is some end game items, but thats it.

Bryant Again · Jul 15, 2008, 04:16 PM // 16:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orange Milk

I agree with Bruse Leeroy up there.

The Warrior has more to offer for it on each continent than the Dervish does.

ZERO items/skills/armors for the Dervs in Prophicies and Factions.

Part of the reason why I never wanted new professions : (

The Red Messenger · Jul 15, 2008, 04:22 PM // 16:22

one more vote for dervish here.

those 2 extra pips of energy give you so many more options. and area attacks are a no brainer for pve